them against gun violence. wants to close the loopholes. he appeared with rachel maddow last night. >> criminals should not be able to buy guns. and even at higher levels when you think about the reality if you're a suspected terrorist in america, you can go to the secondary gun market and buy a weapon and conduct the kind of terrorism we saw in mumbai which was done with automatic and semiautomatic weapons. >> the fabric of gun culture is woven into american's lives. how do we put a genie back in a bottle when it comes to modern-day wednesday that our forefathers could never have imagined? >> we cannot put the genie back in the bottle. we can tamper with rules. nobody in washington, not president obama, not senator feinstein is going to confiscate the guns throughout. anyone who is implying otherwise is kidding themselves. >> americans love to drive, they wouldn't have anything else but huge cars. didn't matter about safety, they said. you're not going to change the cigarette culture. it's not one piece of legislation. but the fact there are multiple fronts that people have opened

, vickie soto, lauren rousseau, rachel davino and anne murphy. >> joining me now from newtown is mayor mark boughton of danbury, connecticut. thank you for being here. i understand you personally knew the principal there at sandy hook, dawn hochsprung. the principal who is being described as someone who sprang into action and was very safety-conscious at her short tenure at sandy hook. what other insights can you give us, the type of educator that dawn was? >> well, dawn and i worked in the same system back in the late '90ers for the city of danbury. we were in different buildings but our paths did cross from time to time. just an incredibly brave woman who really had a glow about her. she had a vivaciousness about her. she always put children first. it was very clear in any of her interactions that i saw her or was involved with her that kids were first. for that reason alone, it doesn't surprise me that she took the steps that she took on friday. >> i think for people out there wanting to learn more about dawn and the person she was could look at her twitter feed to find out ho

rachel's show friday. your theory are it's key to how the fiscal cliff plays out. explain. >> there's a significant difference of opinion in the political ramification of what happens if we go over and it comes down debt ceiling. if we go over the fiscal cliff they have all of the leverage because we'll go into the debt ceiling and it will be just like 2011 again. they'll say we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you cut entitlements, barack obama will say no and terrified of consequences of national default he'll say yes. so they'll get all of the entitlement cuts with no tax increases on the table. democrats disagree. they will not, under any circumstance, no matter what republicans do, negotiate over the debt ceiling again. they'll break the habit now. if we go to the debt ceiling they'll say we're not talking about this, if you want to have a deal on entitlements, that will have to be matched one to one with tax increases, again, with tax reform. if they do that say democrats get $600 billion in tax increases off of the deal we'll have in the next couple of days, the smal